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"Struck a nerve?"  :redcard: Nah - I'd say he HAMMERED it pretty well!!! :bonk: Whew!!!

You must be in the "Can of worms" opening business... :ha:

Let's see if I can keep this simple for an outsider to fathom.

When you deal with one tend to deal with ALL Aliens.
Most of the Alien Nation comes from Marcy (projects)

So if Phoenix is working with someone, its not long before SuperNatural,
Cozmic Ray, Naptron, Dark Seed or any of the countless others, are going to work that person,
on some level or another. Especially if they appear to have money to spread around.

I'm not sure what Deffe was doing with Naptron.
But if I recall correctly, Nap wasn't very happy with Deffe the last time I spoke to him.

What Benjamin does is....
He goes into the studio with people.
They do all the work.
He pays the studio tab.
Probably gives the artist and/or musicians a few dollars.
Though this is not a bad thing, its not entirely a good thing.
The artist is pacified because they figure they've been compensated for doing a DEMO.
Most figure that Deffe isn't going to make major moves with the demo, so they don't pay much attention to it.
Before you know it...Deffe has this thing pressed up and selling it.
No contracts, no splits, no publishing.
If he makes some money, he might hit them off with a little money, but
I've never known him to give an accurate accounting to anyone I know.


You must be talking about "U Gave Me Love" :cuss:

Here's how that came about...

Deffe showed up at my house with some DJ from France.
He says to me, "Al "T" , I want to do a dance record."
I was fine with that.
I'm figuring his DJ friend is going to produce it.
I'll make some money from the studio time.

They proceed to ask me to sample every record under the sun.
None of which work together.
This is going on for hours.
I probably had 15-20 samples of unusable shit by the end of the session.
I tell Deffe and his friend to go home,
I'll see if I can make something out of the pile of shit they left.

I keep one sample.
The horn sample from Americana.
I program new drums.
I add new loops from my personal archive.
I PLAY new horn lines.
I PLAY new bassline.
I PLAY new organ riff.

Deffe comes back with his buddy.
They listen, they love it.
They want to put it out.

I tell them the song needs a vocal.
It wouldn't stand on it's own as an instrumental.
We need to get a female singer.
Deffe agrees.
I don't remember who's idea it was but...
Natalie ends up on the track.
Natalie has no problem coming in on the session
because she's worked with me before on the Alien Nation LP.
Natalie is Sonic Sister from Alien Nation.

So Natalie shows up with her lyrics.
I tweak the arrangement.

I send them home again.
Edit the vocals.
Mix the song.

Now Deffe shows up with some other dude.
Apparently this guy is a professional engineer.
Deffe brought him up to mix the track...that I already have mixed.
That didn't bother me.
I've never claimed to be an engineer.

This guy tweaks my kik, and adds a lil more compression to the bass.
He tells me, "Your mix is just fine, nice job"

OK the track is done.....

I remind Deffe of the Cybernetic Spy situation.
I told him we can split the profits on this track 50/50
Since I did all the studio work and he can pay for the pressing.
He seemed to be ok with that.

Here's where the fuckery begins.

I get a letter from my lawyer (who also happens to be Deffe's lawyer at the time).
There was some rediculous terms in this thing and I cussed my lawyer out for even sending it to me.
I came up with some very fair terms..even letting Deffe get a lil more than he should..simply because he was gonna pay the bills.
All seemed well, I'm waiting on the hard copy to sign.
Now, out of nowhere, I get another letter from Deffe via his NEW lawyer.
They want me to sign a RELEASE stating that i was just the ENGINEER
and had no claim to any royalties.
So this started a bunch of crap that I'm not gonna get into.
But I told his lawyer, "As long as you remove EVERYTHING I contributed from the track, I don't care what you do with it. That would leave you with a horn sample..and he doesn't have the rights to that either."

Once again..The cd label, that Deffe himself gave me....
Just the song name and writers and I AM mentioned as a writer on that copy.

I tried to contact Natalie to tell her not to sign anything with Deffe because he's being shadey about royalties.
To this day I haven't heard from her. Maybe she signed something...I don't know, but that's her problem.
At this point, I figure the deal is dead, the rocords not going to come out.

A few months later, I look on FLP's website, there it is...
U gave Me Love by master H featuring Natalie Wallace.
I was like..WHO THE FUCK IS MASTER H????
Then I realised he was the DJ that showed up with the records.

Then a little more research...I found out Deffe released the record
on Sony in France. DIRTY BUSINESS!!!!!

This is why Deffe is an asshole. got a deal with Sony...He never called me to let me know.
He never cut me a check, never gave me credit.
I don't give a shit about the record, I don't even think I have it posted in my store, I give that shit away.
The fact is that his actions were very disrespectful.
So I will never work with him again...unless he offers me a ton of money and the contracts are done before the first note is played. (and its not on HIS label, gotta be a major release)

The only beef I have with "H" is....
He can't even fuckin speak english.
I didn't realize who he was until he put HIS name on MY song.
That is just some punk ass shit.
Other than that I wish H all the luck in the world.

It's try to give folks the benefit of the doubt because you share of LOVE of music.
But there are always those ASSHOLES that want to take advantage of good natured people.
It makes doing what we do, so much harder.
nevertheless..WE KEEP IT MOVING! :mrgreen:

About Jay..hmm I think I have a few tapes of some ideas we were tooling around with, nothing I plan on circulating though. Jay was fun to work with. As a matter of fact, all the cats from Groove Collective
are very cool and talented people.

I've seen that Marcy All Stars thing (I might have a copy), I don't know much about it. I only pay attention to FLP stuff that I'm involved with.

The only thing you can do to change info at discogs is post a comment.
The mods will eventually change the info

This the longest post I've done in struck a nerve :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

LMFAO @ "this is why I let noone in my house anymore...I'll talk to you in the fuckin driveway!" :urock:

Ahh the infamous funk laplanet!!!!!

well...first of all, that ep should have never been released.

The credits are completely bogus.

They claim the producers are Benjamin and Valerio.
Neither one of these individuals could produce a track if their mother's titties were on fire.
( this was the first incident Deffe tried to take credit for my work)

If you notice, Cybernetic Spy is named as a remix.....
So where's the original mix? :think:
If you listen to the track...
Phoenix is talking about how he comes to my crib to do a track.
Obviously not a remixed vocal :idunno:

Funk laplanet are crooks!
Delusional assholes.

These trax were written and produced by Jay Rodriguez and Myself
(and of course, Zoundwave aka PO)
If you notice the publishing info, FLP's publishing is the only one listed.
Not Jay's, Phoenix's or mine...I'm ASCAP and I think Jay is also.
FLP wrote NOTHING. They earn no publishing. :redcard:

The label in my store is an edit I did to reflect what was really going on.
Deffe nearly got a serious ass whoopin the day he brought that thing to my studio.
I let him slide that time,,,,and the FUCKER DID IT AGAIN!
Next time I see him...I'M JUST GONNA CLOCK HIS ASS!  :bonk:
The label you have is a repress of some sort.
There was no website url on the originals.
Also...THERE IS NO ARTIST LISTED!!!!!l  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
What dickheads!

I'm not sure what to do about discogs...
actual credits should read:
artist: Zoundwave (not Zoundwavez)
writers: Zoundwave, Jay Rodriguez, Al "T" McLaran, Mika
(I don't know who brando is, I think he was just an engineer I doubt he wrote anything.
I THINK he's the same dude Deffe brought to my studio. He tweaked a kick and Deffe tried to give him remix credits on another track I did :nono: )
Producers: Jay Rodriguez, Al "T"McLaran
Exec Producers: Valerio Compagnone, Benjamin Deffe
(I would only get credited for Cybernetic Spy, Jay did the other tracks)

I probably just added to the confusion...
But at least you know the truth.

If you decide to use the information I've given you...feel free to use me as your source.
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

****This is the problem with having a studio in your home.
People show up at your door, with booze and food and say...lets jam for a little while.
The next thing you have a record out that you never agreed to
and on top of it all...people are trying to rip you off!

this is why I let noone in my house anymore...I'll talk to you in the fuckin driveway!...lmao****

The Orakle's Realm / Re: They're Jammin in Heaven Tonite
« on: September 11, 2006, 10:18:26 AM »


 :rotfl:   :6:   :blush:   :clap: :woohoo:

The Orakle's Realm / Re: They're Jammin in Heaven Tonite
« on: September 06, 2006, 03:21:26 PM »
LOLOL!!  We definitely have a similar quirk - we have this bad habit of saying what we mean & meaning what we say!!!! 

Remember the first time I met you & you were having a metting with some cats you were working with?  You checked me so casually, I was more stunned than insulted!  Hell, I still laugh when I think about it!!! LOLOLOL!!!  You were honest then & you're still honest!  I guess it's safe to say that your folks raised you right!!!! :clap:

A wise man once said, 'If you have nothing to say then silence is TRULY golden.'  :champ:

Just a suggestion; think of your father as the air you breathe - you might not be able to see him or hold him right now but if he was truly 'gone', you wouldn't be alive right now...

Easy, my Sensei.... :bow:

thanks again folks.
You know.......
I understand people meaning well and trying to comfort you
in times like this. But my God...some people shouldn't say shit at all.

The day my pops passed...
one of my first realizations was...
This was the first day without having a dad.
That shit ate me up.

One of my great uncles comes by that day.
He says to me,
"So, this is your first day without a father huh?"

I was like..WTF!
was that supposed to be comforting?
If you don't know what to say...shut the fuck up!

I can't wait till the memorial service!
Maybe that will bring an end to the comments.

People are already looking at me funny cuz I've stated that I don't wanna speak
at the memorial.
I am one of six children
Let some of them carry the ball for a change.
Maybe they dont understand Im still processing this shit?
I've been watchin him decline for the past 2/3 years
without much help from my sibs and a few other choice family members.
Its prolly best I dont speak...
I dont want the spirit to get me and start callin people out...lmao

I only enjoy getting on the mic in front of a crowd when its fun.
I have no intention on "performing" that day.
If they can't grasp that..FUCK E'RYBODY!

K..I'm done venting

Thanks again to my Jam On fam..nothin but love for all of you.
I could trade some of my blood relatives in for a few of you folks...lmao

The Orakle's Realm / Re: They're Jammin in Heaven Tonite
« on: September 05, 2006, 07:01:03 PM »

Toog, you KNOW ya Pops is THA MAN!  He will be missed. 



The Orakle's Realm / Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, AL TEE
« on: September 05, 2006, 06:58:09 PM »
A Happy belated, my bruva!

« on: September 01, 2006, 03:06:31 PM »
Thanx, Wendy!  I gotta tell you; it's funny to hear & read that folk like it because initially, i got much grief from folks for it!  But, i LOVED it & I stuck to my guns!  So it's especially satisfying to have people show so much love for her name.... :ha:

Sabra Joyce is a good name.

« on: August 31, 2006, 09:33:02 AM »
Thanks, Hero!!!!

congrats frank..shes gonna be a singer i hope! she got the name :)

« on: August 25, 2006, 02:36:05 PM »
Whoa indeed!!!


Congrats Frank! :)

« on: August 25, 2006, 02:34:08 PM »
:-o :-o :-o :-o :-o

Get Da fuk Outta here!
Say word..... Frank Carter is gonna be a daddy?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
and welcome to the club.

Movin' to Queens has domesticated your ass. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Domesticated like a Mofo!  You ain't lied!!!  I'm gonna have a baby girl - we've named her Sabra Joyce!

Nice to know my sperm is poppin'!!!   :wink:

« on: August 15, 2006, 10:14:23 AM »
Damn...sounds like fun....

But even my schedule is nutty!  Tryin' to put a band together-setting up my equipment (FINALLY)-got a baby on the way...SH*T!

Lemme holla back laters, Sensei Toogah!  :bow:



Jam-On Joint / Re: Constrained by the styles of today?
« on: July 27, 2006, 11:27:14 AM »
That BURNER is ILL!!!

The Orakle's Realm / Re: Attn Al "T: Apathy On
« on: July 27, 2006, 11:09:25 AM »
It's all good, Al - we all busy doin' sumthin' or the other!!!!

The Orakle's Realm / Re: hahaha!
« on: July 27, 2006, 10:52:41 AM »
Too Freakin' Funny!  Rockit, Wendy!!!!
I meant, put your thang thang down for a female that you'd just met, not some crazy ass like me that you already know from before. I want to see how much game you got.

Do it on the lawn with Yvonne
I'll see if your game is on
If not, I can show you how
To make the whores go wow

Oooooh, Daddy that feels good
What do you say we do it on the hood
All this time I was misunderstood
Now you're digging me out with your 10 inch wood


I know I know I'm wack :kiss:

« on: July 27, 2006, 10:50:25 AM »
 :clap: Now THAT was proper!   :urock:

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